[BODcast Episode 32] Mold Toxicity: Mold Awareness discussion with symptoms & treatments

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hello everyone and welcome to today's
podcast today's topic is something that

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we are all actively working on spreading
awareness of as a lot of new research

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has been coming out at how many underlying
illnesses are actually misdiagnosed due to

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people not realizing they've had environmental
exposures to certain toxins and toxicants that

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end up affecting almost every system of the
body and mold is one of those topics and

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we have with us today someone who has studied
and dedicated years of her life to understanding

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not only mold and how to identify and where to
find it and what helps with helping your house

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you know breathe better and prevent the growth
of mold but also how to detox after mold toxicity

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how do you how do you help someone through their
recovery process if they've been exposed to mold

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and every person reacts to it differently
so it's not it is it does need to happen on a

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case-by-case basis every person's body is unique
and it actually you know interacts with your

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genetics and interacts with your metabolism and
and all sorts of things but today's call we will

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just be hearing from Jenipher Jenipher is
actually a member of our HHE staff and team

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we love working with her but today we get to hear
from something that she really is a true expert on

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and that is understanding mold toxicity and then
how do you help your body recover from something

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like that while you also go through improving
the state of your home in your environment

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so Jen I was thinking if first of all if it's
okay with you if you could share your story of

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how you even became aware of mold and what
mold toxicity is and then after that we'll

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start talking about the details of how to
identify it and some of the science about recovery

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absolutely thank you so much Amy I'm so happy
to be here spreading awareness about mold which

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has become a complete love project for me
because so many people do suffer from mold

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toxicity and a lot of people don't even know
so and that's kind of how I ended up here

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I’ll do the most recent part of my
journey and then just kind of do a brief

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childhood glimpse but basically I
started working in a building in 2014

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and about a year later I had switched and I had
started in a corner office working in a corner

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office and I didn't really think anything I
was finding myself that I was a little bit

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more tired and I was a little bit more irritable
but my job was extremely demanding at the time

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I was basically on call 24 7. I just had a lot
of pressures going on a lot of stress and I was

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one of those people that quite frankly I gave
gave and I worked a lot and over time I had

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known about this fibroid that I had growing and it
was small the doctors weren't worried about it but

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it actually like started to like grow rapidly
and I didn't think much of it unfortunately

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I was refused a work leave to have surgery so
that was also plain on my body so I was growing

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more tired I started having a lot of sinus
infections I was starting to experience brain fog

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and I had a lot of pelvic pain which grew into me
waking up in the morning and having like vertigo

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and having really sore feet really sore
joints hip pain so things that were just

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you know we unfortunately
think we're so programmed

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to call things normal but they're not because just
because they're common does not mean that they're

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normal and as these things slowly progress and I
share my story honestly and truly because there

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are so many people that experience more toxicity
just like this as much as we are all different

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we have different environments this is what
happens it's like this slow progression

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so I got to the point where I was constantly
exhausted and I was having really strong cravings

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and I was also a personal trainer for years
so I was used to being really active and my

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activity levels plummeted and it was even
harder for me to pass weights to my clients

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so I was working part-time as a personal trainer
working full-time as a senior project manager I

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was on call I was stressed out and I started
drinking but it wasn't it wasn't a drinking

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like it was more like to relax my body
because I felt like I was constantly fried

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and I was also craving it which looking back I
can give you an answer to that but it was only

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wine so I was craving carbs and I
was craving wine and I was gaining weight

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and I just had all these things compiling
and then 2017 it really started to

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affect me and we had gone away on vacation
and we had stayed in with a family in Georgia

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and I was starting to hallucinate like I was
experiencing depersonalization derealization

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I came home I didn't even remember being
away for that period of time I felt horrific

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and I was looking for answers I had been going
to doctors but it was all being chalked up

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to my fibroid and my stress so I was I was
believing those answers my blood work was

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coming back fine and I mean it was in the you know
the normal range for how they do their blood work

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and it was just it was one of those things where
I was like okay this is just not it's something

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more is going on and then that's when I actually
started experiencing neuropathy so things got

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really bad I was having word loss I was
starting to stutter I was speaking backwards

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I had a foot drop which is where you're walking
and your body actually acts like it's about to

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step onto a step but you don't right then I
was also having where I was dragging my

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toe it was just one thing after the next and
I ended up going on a medical leave I did

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see some specialists I unfortunately saw a lot of
psychologists psychiatric story not psychologists

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and then I was referred to an internal medicine
specialist I had my fibroid removed thinking

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that that was going to be the you know the magic
ticket so to speak and that wasn't that was not it

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I didn't even lose weight after having it was it
was a really large mass and yeah so it took me

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to finally be like all right I have to think out
of my box and my mom was a chiropractic assistant

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and I had been a personal trainer for years and I
knew how important diet was but I had never I

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had never gone to see like a naturopathic doctor
and at this point I was my mental health was

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so horrible that I was actually I had major
social anxiety I was not leaving my house

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and to be honestly to be honest I was
suicidal so I made this appointment

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I ended up being treated for adrenal fatigue
and candida overgrowth but it wasn't until

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we dove in and I got an organic acid test
done that I realized that I was mold sick and

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I was mold sick like off the range it was my body
on every level was no longer working so it was

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for me it was really empowering because
I finally had an answer and it's one of those

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situations where I do believe in tests
don't guess but unfortunately with a lot of

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environmental illnesses the tests that we have in
place don't necessarily always work so we have to

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be really cautious of that that's basically how
my journey started I jumped into a protocol that

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was very individual and I do I do have to
stress that I think that you know we all come

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from different environments but I will say and
we'll definitely get into this mold recovery

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is multi-layered it's not just one thing and
yeah we just started tackling it slowly but surely

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wow I'm really happy you walked us through the
symptoms of that and just how progressive it was

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because one thing that is so frustrating to people
is when they experience something like this where

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it really starts to affect everything
in their body their digestion gets worse

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bloating neuropathy and then the mental health
component of it and from like a reductionist

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standpoint you know in if we're looking at things
through a lens where like everything in your body

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is separated you know they you know some people
would be compelled to treat your mental health

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condition one way and then your digestive
disorder you know there's a prescription for that

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and then oh neuropathy oh could this be MS you
know and then like just to diagnose everything

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individually when it's really common when
Karen’s seeing people or if I'm dealing with

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someone and it is across the board reproductive
issues digestive pain extreme fatigue don't

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feel like themselves mental health we got to
look at what are these underlying things that

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really do affect the whole body and mold toxicity
is definitely one of them so I'm really happy walk

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us through that just from a physiological
perspective for anyone who's curious a

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big reason is because mold spores will cause the
alveoli in your lungs to restrict and they'll also

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damage oxygen delivery through your body and what
ends up happening is your mitochondria which are

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anyone who's taken biology the powerhouse of your
cells mitochondria need oxygen to work they do not

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work in the absence of oxygen and mitochondria are
responsible for like fueling your body so you have

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you have mitochondria in all of your cells in your
whole body that are responsible for fueling your

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body all of a sudden you cut off that fuel source
and systems of the body start shutting down it's

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it's one of the fastest ways to affect every
system of the body is to affect oxygen delivery

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and so anyway I'm really grateful you walked us
through all those steps do you want to touch on

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where your mold exposure came from because
now we have an idea of what symptoms can

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look like for someone and what a possibility
is for someone who's experiencing this type of

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fatigue you know you mentioned the organic
acids test but where do you feel like

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the root of your mold exposure came from and how
did you kind of pin that pinpoint that part down

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so and here's the thing in my circumstance
I when I got moved into that corner office

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I could smell mold and people would come into
my office and they would be like oh it's got

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you know yucky smell and I had I when I say corner
office it was literally you know the outside two

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corners meeting of this building and it was a big
beautiful building and I had a really nice window

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but I also had I had a latch door on the wall
where my desk was literally three feet from and

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that latch door went to the outside water main
for the outdoor sprinkler system and they would

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not let me open it up and look in it and I had
complained about this smell and I didn't I didn't

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know about mold I mean I knew what I knew about
mold but I didn't think anything like it would you

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know create all these issues and it wasn't visible
mold so it was kind of more of a musty smell

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and they decided one day when I wasn't at work
they had put a tea tree dish out which I can

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tell you right now is not reliable whatsoever and
they had also because I was complaining about it

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because there was a draft in the winter I live
in Ontario working on care our winters are cold

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and there was a draft coming in so when I wasn't
at work one day I was out on the road they stuffed

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the hole with like that bubble packaging stuff
you know stuff you can pop when you were a kid

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well we still do it but anyways they stuffed the
hole with that and they left a Petri dish oh and

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they never showed me the dish but they did tell me
that they sent it off and that there was no molds

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and I just I believed them and I didn't I didn't
think anything further of it and then when I had

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gone on my medical leave I was downstairs on the
main floor in my house and my husband called my

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name and I went upstairs and in our master our
master bedroom had it had been renovated before we

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had moved in so it was it was two rooms made into
one big room so we had two closets and the one

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closet again was an outdoor corner wall and he had
gone to look for something in his closet and his

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guitar case and this stuffed toy that he had in
there that I’ve given him for valentine's couple

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days prior a couple years prior and had mold on
it so I now realize that I was actually being

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double exposed which makes sense because my dog
at the time had also been diagnosed with lymphoma

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and there was just looking back there's just so
many pieces to the puzzle and one thing I will

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say it's funny that you mentioned the MS
because I did have MS symptoms and I did have

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dementia symptoms early onset dementia symptoms
and I know that firsthand because I'm a dementia

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daughter so I know what that is and I will
say when you're dealing with mental health

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a lot of times you are prescribed things
and I I'm a strong believer that there is

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is a place for medication of course there is
but I will say that when you're suffering from

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from mold toxicity you have so much fungus in
your body that most medications have a fungus base

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and medication I actually reacted horribly from
it didn't matter what it was and it would send my

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body over the edge and I would have ebv breakouts
I would have hive breakouts I would fever so

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I wasn't all these medications that I
was being given for my mental health

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weren't working either so it was really just a
cascade of things so and another thing when we had

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moved into the house the other problem that we had
seen was water damage underneath the kitchen sink

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we didn't think anything of it was dried up
but we did have a mouse issue which is another

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thing I will bring up is that mice tend to hang
out where there's moisture humidity and dampness

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so when you have a like a mouse issue
you there's chances of you having mold

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which I’ve learned obviously in the last two
years as well so it's all these little things

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that kind of come together and you don't realize
mold toxicity when I started researching mold

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three years ago they said that 50 of buildings
are mold contaminated and that half of those so 25

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are contaminated with toxic mold most recently
the numbers that came out now it's 70 percent

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of buildings are affected with mold like that's
astronomical and then you put in the fact that 25

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of the population has what's called an hladr
gene which makes you more susceptible to mold so

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it's this giant combination and it's a it's
an illness that can be really hard to believe

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because you can have four people living in the
house and one person could be you know quite ill

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one person could just have like allergies and
the other two people could be completely fine

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so it's very I don't want to say that it's
genetically based because the truth of the

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matter is mold is extremely toxic and I think
it's more based on your own personal rain

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barrel and I love using that terminology because
it's like this this toxic bucket so you have you

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have this barrel and when you keep filling it
with toxins it's going to get to the point where

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it overflows and that's exactly what happens
with mold is your body can only take so much

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and you had mentioned the mitochondria aspect of
that and mold is fat soluble so it leaches leeches

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on to your fat cells onto your mitochondria and
it's just it's a disaster yeah so we're going to get

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into solutions here in just a minute in case
anyone's feeling like super worried like what

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do we do now but just to reiterate I think the
statistics you shared are really relevant because

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before I knew much about it I really thought
mold was like really rare and so understanding

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that about half of homes have some kind of mold
and then a quarter of that is going to be

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or a quarter chordal foams will or buildings
I should say can have some form of toxic mold

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in it but then the other statistic just
to reiterate when she mentioned 25 of the

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population having this genetic polymorphism that
makes them extra susceptible to mold that I just

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have to reiterate that because we had a tnc whose
daughter moved into an apartment building that had

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toxic mold and she moved in with roommates
and she actually passed away within months

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because of how sensitive she was to the
issue and how much it just completely

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took down her body and I'm not saying that was
the only thing that was going on but if she

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was someone who had that genetic polymorphism and
moved into a super mold infested area if there was

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anything else going on in her body at that time
imagine the burden on your lymphatic system and

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on your immune system it's a big reason why
mold toxicity there's so many co-infections

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because like you mentioned like the mitochondria
aren't getting enough oxygen mold by nature

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decays things and so they call it like the great
destroyer like it breaks things down it's a big

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contributor to like fatigue and muscle
fatigue just because of what it does in to

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tissues and I do want to say not all mold is bad
so we're like talking about toxic mold right now

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they're actually interestingly enough are some
molds that are good for you and diversify your

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microbiome just like there's good bacteria
and good viruses and even some good parasites

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interestingly enough so there is such thing as
good mold you know like going out and walking in

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the forest and there's some decaying plant matter
you know from like decaying trees and things like

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that that's not the type of mold we're talking
about that is going to be bringing your health

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down some of some of you know natural exposure to
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the circle of life and going for walks in the
forest are a great way to diversify your body's

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microbiome but we're talking about what
Jen Jenipher said is like a lot of the issue

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with today's age is we're so energy efficient that
we are sealing up these homes we are just sealing

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them so it's just ac there's not our homes aren't
breathing like they used to there's not the same

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airflow and there's not the same neutralization
of moisture content and so that that that

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can be a huge contributing factor to it so we'll
delve in here in a minute just to solutions but

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I just appreciated those stats about
who's sensitive and who's not because you

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you could be fine but your sister could be really
affected by it or you could be affected and no

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one else in your family could be affected by it
and a big issue that happens with environmental

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illness toxicity is all the gas lighting
that happens from family and from

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at times medical professionals or people who
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you're describing what's going on and like you
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like oh you're just stressed out you know it's
like this is not normal like everything in my

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body feels like it's breaking down like this is
not normal and so it can be totally life-changing

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to get someone on a good multi-step detox
protocol so of course the number one thing

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when it comes to solutions is like identify the
exposure and remediate if it's in your home

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if it's a there are some projects that you can
safely learn how to do yourself if you know

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the steps and you know the equipment to protect
yourself to remediate it there's also professional

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remediation companies my father does like mold
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he does fire and water damage restoration so
like I grew up remediating homes that had mold

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damage so but we had the right equipment to be in
those environments the proper protection equipment

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with the with the masks and things to protect your
skin and so there's remediation projects you can

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do for your home but so the first part's going
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exposure and then the second part is going to
be actually detoxifying yourself and there are

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detox protocols that you can do under you
know with the help of a naturopathic doctor

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or with someone like a mold specialist that
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your body in stages so you can eventually
reclaim some of your health so Jen what part of

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that do you want to start with some like identify
identification and remediation tips or some detox

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tips or where are you feeling right now I’m
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big thing is just you know and honestly that's
what I do with my with my coaching business I is I

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empower people and I show them the way to go
with that and it's it is very individual based

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only because sometimes remediation doesn't work
and that and you know that's another statistic

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I can throw out there that can be a pretty
scary statistic because depending on your

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genetics remediation just might not work for
you it's definitely something that I would

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suggest be done by a professional there are
things you know if you've got a little bit

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of mold build up in your shower or if you've
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yes those are things that you can take care of
yourself but again if you have mold in the shower

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why is it there what is the source and then you've
got mold that's hidden you have mold that's behind

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walls a lot of remediation companies will tell you
that your bathroom fans are vented into the attic

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that they're not vented outside so you've got all
this moisture going up into your attic and you're

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basically just feeding your attic and then you've
got hvac units some hvac units actually

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leave the factory with mold inside of them
before they're even installed in your house

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though there's a lot of different things that you
can you can look into getting tested is extremely

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important when it comes to your house and getting
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recently and I had to write this down because
I just I did another mold summit last week

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and they're now calling an army test a qpcr
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it's basically they're looking at your spore
count so you're going to take dust samples and

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you're going to send it off and they're going
to look at the spore count which is going to

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identify the types of mold that are in your in
your house and just how hazard is hazardous it is

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and that's extremely important because
quite frankly it's very difficult to heal a

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sick body when you're in a sick environment so
there's also the element of not just mold toxicity

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itself but what else do you have going on in your
life right so when you've got trauma or if you've

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got other things like Lyme disease there's
other factors and that goes back to that at

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rain barrel effect I was talking about heavy
metals parasites but we also have to remember

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that mold is actually like a breeding ground
for parasites parasites thrive off of it so

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there is a lot of different factors and
and Amy’s right like I have to reiterate

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it's not like there's over 300
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right like the majority of them are actually
really happy purposeful molds and fungus like they

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they want to live with you right like they're not
up against you right but then there's a handful

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that are not good and you can get into a lot
of detail about this and I and I'm grateful

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that I'm going to be doing the h an body master
guide call at the end of the month because we'll

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have more time to dive into this kind of stuff but
the reality of it is mold has been around forever

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but we are building houses differently and our
environment is different we have way more emf

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and mold expands off of emf it's 600 times more
active with emf so you've got really tight homes

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that aren't breathing properly more people are
prone to turn on the ac than they are to open up

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the windows and let fresh air in now we've got
building materials and I can tell you I live in

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a new build so I see it all the time this area is
still building up we have building materials that

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sit outside okay they're exposed to the elements
they get moldy and then your house gets built with

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them and then guess what the drywall goes up
and you don't know that you have moldy two by

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fours and moldy joists holding up your house like
it's gotten to the point where you know this is

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why we're doing what we're doing it's rampant
you know and it's so sad because we have these

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materials that mold thrives off of and then it
activates spores and these mycotoxins are released

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and you don't know you're breathing this stuff
until you start you know not feeling well

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yeah so this is why we're just so excited and feel
so passionate about raising awareness is because

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we can start influencing the way we ventilate
our houses and the way we build houses and

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buildings the way we look at that in the future
and how seriously we take this type of a topic

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these are things that we do have some control
over and it can feel like a really daunting task

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if you're like what if my home is moldy what
if like that can feel very daunting but

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please do know this is march 1st we have
dedicated the month of march to moldy march

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which is mold awareness month and so this is just
the first call we want to give you the support

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and the resources to know what to do for your
home what to do for your personal health tips

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and tools identifying symptoms and tests you can
take and especially like just provide you support

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and also the emotional support aspects so jenny
sorry Jenipher also runs an amazing environmental

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illness support group I was able to join you
for your first call ever and my heart was like

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holy cow was being like ripped out one minute and
then filled up the next hearing people's stories

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of what they went through how ostracized they were
by their family and their community member because

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no one believed them and then how long and it and
expensive the journey was for them to find the

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right treatment protocols that actually worked
for them absolutely and just how lonely that

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process was and so Jenipher started a support
group so that these people can just come on a

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call and be there for each other and some women
and some of the people are in really good places

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and they're able to give support and other women
there just have breakdowns and they're like you

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guys like I just need some support today and so
it's a really awesome space I'm really happy

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you provided that Jenipher so thank you for
that so just know this is we are kicking it off

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with the with this awareness campaign but
right in closing Jen would you mind just walking

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us through a few of the personal health side of
things and things that assist our body in managing

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mold as we're exposed to it absolutely so I think
the big thing is you really have to focus on

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your detox pathways being open so a lot of people
want to j p right into the protocol and they you

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know they obviously want to feel better I mean
I know I did as well but it's actually a slow

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and steady wins the race type scenario because
usually by the time that you're being diagnosed

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you do have a lot of symptoms at my worst I had
over 70 symptoms which sounds absolutely insane

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and it is when you see the list but it's one of
those things where you just kind of have to trust

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and you have to practice a lot of self-compassion
which is something that I'm a huge proponent of

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like I can't even tell you how much I swear by
self-compassion but opening those detox pathways

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so making sure that you're going well going to
the washroom I will tell you that incontinence and

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constant urination is a sign of mold as well same
with bedwetting with children so usually going pee

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is not an issue with mold keeping hydrated is
you want to make sure that you've got you're

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having proper bowel movements that you're going
at least once or twice a day and the big kicker

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is sweating and as a personal trainer I should
have recognized this and I you know I kick myself

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but I stopped sweating I couldn't sweat I sat
in a sauna I went when I like I told you I was

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in Georgia at family and we sat and it was a
four person sauna and my husband and I are in

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with his aunt and uncle these people are sweating
buckets and my upper lip was dewy that was it so

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it just goes to show what mold can do so open
your detox pathways and then you want to make sure

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that you're supporting your organs and you're
supporting your mitochondria so you want to

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be adding minerals into what you're taking in you
want to be adding magnesium you want to be adding

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all those things for support and then you really
want to support your liver because that poor guy

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has been really trying to keep you alive so you
want to do things like milk thistle and such

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and then once you're in a good place when
your detox pathways are open and you have

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been supporting your mitochondria and your
organs and your diet is on point I mean you know

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food is life and that's all there is to it
not does vary for individuals right because

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sometimes people will have histamine issues and
sometimes people have oxalate issues but your

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diet really does need to be on point and then you
start killing and you start getting to the things

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you start getting to the candida you start getting
to the bacteria you start getting into the fungus

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and that's where you really start getting
into parasites and there's a lot of tools

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as well you know doing sauna doing detox baths
doing dry brushing get your lymph moving

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everything gets stagnant with mold so a lot
of times you know we need to we need to move

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our lymph anyways because you know it doesn't have
its own pump but when you're mold sick it's really

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not moving so you really need to focus on that
but it's just slowly building these things up

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and you know I always look at it like
if you're taking two steps forward even

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though if you hit a b p and you take a step
back you're still making progress because

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every time I would like level up and feel good
I’d be like oh my gosh I feel great and then

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like two months later I’d be like oh my gosh I
feel great like it was like every time like I

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it had been so long since I felt good I actually
forgot what it felt like to honestly be h an and

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the big thing is you can recover from this I’m
telling you and it doesn't it doesn't have to be

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difficult per se you just have to make sure
that you're being guided properly because

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people do waste a lot of time and a lot and
a lot of money unfortunately it's just it's

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having somebody that is fully versed in all
all aspects because you do need to support

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your liver you need to support your gallbladder
you need to work on your on your microbiome we 70

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of us have leaky gut as it is like all
of these things have to come into play

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and like you mentioned like the diet
protocol is going to change too because

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this may be a time and a place where
someone switches to like a really paleo diet

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so just know that like there can there are
therapeutic diets that definitely have a time and

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a place for some of these different conditions and
there's so much more we could get into here but

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that was an amazing introduction on what someone
could do so open up the detox pathways like she

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said there's just a few ways in and out of the
body you know you breathe it you eat it crying

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crying yeah crying is a detox pathway believe
it releases those emotions and it gets those

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fluids going it's do it all yeah totally
you know what's interesting is that the chemical

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composition of your tears changes depending on
if it's a happy tear or a sad tear that's a total

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side note that there's nothing I believe in what
we're talking about but it's just interesting so

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maybe you can get a diversity of tears out there
exactly diversified are crying so we can like make

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sure we're covering all the bases here like snappy
movies in and then some scary ones I'm kidding

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anyway so but yeah open up the detox pathways
support your organs I love that definitely support

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your emotions you mentioned trauma before
some of these is huge emotional yeah I’ll

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tell you that I honestly I do not have a client
that does not have built-up trauma and if you

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and it doesn't necessarily mean even beforehand
which does hinder it but just the trauma alone

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from this illness yeah it's pretty intense
it's really scary when you first get diagnosed

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and you're scared to walk into buildings
you know real quick I’ll tell you real quick

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today's a perfect example I was working away
in my office at home I'm on the second floor

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I’ve got a main bathroom here and then I
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so three bathrooms in total and there are some
guys out on the working on a manhole on the road

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and I didn't think anything of it but then I heard
my toilet gurgling and the gurgle started getting

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louder and I'm like what is going on and I
actually thank goodness I was home I got up

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I had two toilets in my house that had like a
fountain spray of gurgle coming out and it was so

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bad that it was actually reaching my bathtub so my
counter my walls like and you know and this is the

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term of endearment not everybody likes this but I
do call myself a moldy because I’ve lived with it

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long enough I was first exposed when I was seven
so I call myself a moldy so this moldy is like

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you gotta be kidding me now thank goodness that
I am definitely operating resting by jess I just

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grabbed some towels and I started mopping
it up but I was taking pictures I was doing

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video I'm getting a hold of the builder
now imagine and I said this to them I said

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imagine the people that aren't home right now so
imagine if that now sits for six or seven hours so

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I’ll end it with this it's you know water damage
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so when you notice any type of water if you
can get it dried out asap that's what you need

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to do I dried mine up I got the towels I got the
fans out I did everything I could I was you know

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I was busy in the middle of my work day you know
I still have to disinfect my bathrooms obviously

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but you need to get to it immediately because
it does it only takes 24 to 48 hours and those

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molds spores can be around for weeks before
they're visible so that's another thing

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so act yeah act fast with moisture so well I’m
excited to see all the tips and tools that come

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out you know following part of this awareness
campaign so thank you again so much Jenipher for

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that we can't wait to hear even more from you
throughout the rest of the month but I'm sure I’m

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not the only one who learned things on this call
I appreciate that you presented it in both an

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awareness and empowering way so that we know that
there are things that we can do in our power so I

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just thank you again Jenipher sir for educating
us and facilitating support groups so we

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will wrap that up for today and can't wait to hear
from you again so thank you so much for joining us

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Jenipher and thanks everybody yes thank you thank
you we will circle back to this topic again soon

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